Might the Midwest “Startup Surge” Gas Worth Progress?

Dave:Would you like regular returns? The Midwest startup surge is altering actual property ceaselessly. Immediately we’re exploring why the Midwest is attracting consideration for startup progress, strong job markets, and resilient housing, all whereas remaining comparatively inexpensive. You all know this should you pay attention frequently, however I like a variety of Midwest markets for the basics. I make investments there myself and frequently take a look at knowledge for brand new alternatives. And there are numerous Midwest cities fueling job progress and tech enlargement whereas nonetheless providing among the most inexpensive housing within the nation. However is that this momentum only a short-term buzz or is it a recreation changer that might reshape the actual property investing marketplace for years to return? I’m Dave Meyer, and in at this time’s episode of On the Market, I’m joined by Midwest actual property professional Dan Nelson and our in-house analyst, Austin Wolff to interrupt down all of the numbers. Let’s get into it. Dan Nelson, welcome to On the Market. Thanks for being right here.

Dan:Thanks. Yeah, it’s good to be right here.

Dave:Nicely, I’m glad to have you ever right here as a result of Austin and I take a look at these items very academically. I do put money into the Midwest, but it surely’s good to have a local and who’s somebody on the bottom speaking about these Midwest markets. So recognize that. And Austin, as at all times, thanks for coming again.

Austin:Completely happy to be right here.

Dave:You form of put collectively this record for us on markets that you just like, that you just assume provide good potential, good fundamentals. Inform us the way you went about choosing the markets that we’re going to be discussing at this time.

Austin:Yeah, so there’s a web site referred to as midwest startups.com they usually prefer to rank the entire completely different form of cities and metros within the Midwest for the way pleasant they’re to startups. And why I believe that’s vital is as a result of if a metropolis is pleasant to startups, theoretically, they need to even be pleasant to companies. Individuals might need to go there, companies is likely to be rising. I imply, that was the form of first knowledge set that I checked out. I truly appeared on the high 5 cities that they ranked that have been finest for startups. After which I checked out the entire completely different underlying fundamentals inside these cities to see how they may stack up for particularly out-of-state actual property traders. However traders in these cities as effectively may profit from this info too.

Dave:Bought it. And what does that imply, startup pleasant? Are you able to simply inform us what among the metrics are and inform us just a little bit extra in regards to the underlying insurance policies or local weather in these cities that make it enticing for companies?

Austin:So first variable that we take a look at is the precise variety of startups which might be began every year throughout the metropolis. If there’s rather a lot that’s good, if there’s not rather a lot, possibly not so good. We additionally take a look at the college system simply because sometimes a enterprise desires educated employees. So if companies are round a variety of excellent colleges, they’ve an excellent workforce to drag from. We additionally take a look at authorities help after which the tax local weather as effectively.

Dave:Nice. So let’s get into it. What’s our first market right here?

Austin:Yeah, so I needed to start out on the high. The primary metropolis that startups ranks as the perfect metropolis for startups is Chicago.

Dave:Yeah, I heard this. Yeah, we have been speaking about planning the present and I heard this, that Chicago is primary, which is among the important causes we’re bringing on Dan, who’s an agent in Chicago. So we’ll get his soak up only a minute, however what are the rules that you just see right here that make Chicago a fascinating place for companies and maybe for investing within the Midwest?

Austin:So Chicago ranks primary when it comes to variety of startups in addition to variety of exits. So in case you have a startup there, simply statistically you’re extra more likely to have an exit in Chicago than different cities within the Midwest. There’s additionally the very best variety of VCs and the very best variety of capital being invested into startups in Chicago

Dave:Out of the Midwest. Proper

Austin:Out of the Midwest, appropriate. Sure,

Dave:Certain. Okay. And I’m curious, Dan, is that this one thing that you just preserve observe of as an investor and as a agent in Chicago?

Dan:Yeah, there’s rather a lot about Chicago that’s distinctive, however one of many issues that occurred, I believe it was like 2012, was JB Pritzker began this undertaking referred to as 1871, which mainly exploded startups in Chicago. It was already a terrific startup space, but it surely actually inspired VCs to return right here, and VCs have come right here they usually’ve had extra success right here than they’ve had within the different areas. Clearly it’s extra inexpensive. Simply as Austin mentioned, there’s tons of universities round Chicago. It’s additionally a spot the place should you get a university diploma, you’re very more likely to transfer to Chicago. So it’s a very nice hub for that.

Dave:Yeah, I imply Chicago has a lot infrastructure. I assume the factor that you just hear about Illinois usually is that inhabitants is declining. Is that one thing that issues you, Dan, or that you just discover in your underwriting or your investing?

Dan:So there are some things about Chicago that scare individuals outdoors of town make investments, and that’s considered one of them. The truth is the individuals which might be transferring out of Chicago typically are older and transferring to hotter purchasers, and there’s extra older individuals than there are youthful individuals proper now. So any metropolis the place it’s a colder space they usually’re migrating out, you’re going to see that. The opposite factor is almost all of individuals which might be transferring in are faculty educated and nearly all of the individuals which might be transferring out usually are not. So you’re seeing a brand new rental base that has more cash, that typically has extra white collar jobs than what’s been the case in Chicago. So that they’re prepared to pay extra they usually’re searching for larger items than what individuals did previously.

Dave:Alright, and also you mentioned there are different issues that scare individuals off. I think about there’s a variety of narrative about crime in Chicago. Is that one other one?

Dan:That’s an enormous one. After I come on a podcast like this and I discuss this, traders in Chicago get so mad at me as a result of it’s a secret. So many individuals are afraid to return Chicago, they don’t understand what a terrific setting is and a variety of locations within the Midwest. So yeah, should you simply take a look at uncooked numbers, it’s an enormous metropolis. After all there’s a variety of crime, however while you take a look at per capita, it doesn’t rank very excessive. Whenever you hearken to among the information, you’ll assume individuals are driving up and down the road capturing Uzi out the window to everybody. And anywhere the place there’s extra poverty, there’s extra crime, and the place there’s much less poverty, there’s much less crime.

Dave:Yeah, that is sensible. And Austin, are you able to inform us just a little bit about among the main industries which might be driving among the fundamentals in Chicago?

Austin:I would like to level out finance as one of many main industries. Chicago is a large finance hub and there are a variety of nice jobs in finance in Chicago. Will not be the main business, but it surely’s definitely high three.

Dave:Dan, in your expertise in Chicago, what’s the transfer for traders? What are methods that work at this time?

Dan:Yeah, so Chicago is a humorous place as a result of we don’t have a variety of emptiness. Our emptiness price is forty fifth within the nation for a metropolis that’s third or fourth in inhabitants, however there may be nonetheless a good quantity of provide. So once I speak to individuals in Chicago, they’re native, they’ll say, man, there’s nothing available on the market. After I speak to somebody from California or anyplace outdoors, they go, oh my God, I can’t imagine what number of properties available on the market. How are there properties which have 45, 60 days available on the market? What’s improper with them? So there’s plenty of alternative right here, significantly should you focus in that two to 4 unit area as a result of Chicago was arrange a spot for immigrants to maneuver right here and lease. There was no thought of possession. Initially when Chicago was constructed, you have been going to maneuver right here and also you have been going to lease.So that they constructed all these two to 4 unit properties. But in addition after World Warfare ii, all these individuals got here again and folks had single household properties and all these troopers got here to Chicago and there’s no place to take action they began renting out their basement. So that they have these form of selfmade ADUs in all places, however they’ve been tearing these down in areas which might be gentrifying. So that you may go, oh, they’re taking a single household dwelling they usually’re changing with one other single household dwelling, however the brand new Sam household dwelling doesn’t have somebody renting within the basement. So we’re always dropping rental as part of it. So if you may get into that market and get that two to 4 unit property, you may have a singular property with a really low emptiness price.

Dave:Usually talking, is it attainable to attain no less than break even cashflow with a few of these offers?

Dan:Yeah, I imply all the things is dependent upon the place you look and there’s that lever that I do know you discuss on a regular basis, Dave, which is would you like straight on cashflow or would you like straight on appreciation? And each degree of that exists in Chicago. Chicago is a metropolis of neighborhoods and each neighborhood has its personal distinctive factor. So there are areas the place it’s very easy to cashflow, after which there are different areas the place there are straight appreciation performs and most of the people sort of choose that center floor the place they’re going to cashflow just a little bit to start with, however over time they’re going to see that improve dramatically, however they’re additionally going to get that appreciation on the property.

Dave:Nice. Nicely thanks for explaining. I simply assume it’s vital as a result of a variety of instances after we speak in regards to the Midwest, the attraction from many individuals is the potential for cashflow and completely agree that it’s as much as every particular person what their technique is, the place they need to fall on that spectrum of cashflow versus appreciation. However a variety of the explanation we’re speaking about Midwest markets at this time is as a result of it’s exhausting to search out money on the southeast and the west and the Midwest, typically talking, affords higher alternatives for that. And it appears like Chicago might need these choices arising extra on why Midwest markets are heating up. We’ll be proper again. Welcome again to On the Market. I’m Dave Meyer right here with Dan Nelson discussing all of the methods the Midwest is booming. Alright, Austin, it appears like a second market right here in your record is Minneapolis. Inform us about it.

Austin:So Minneapolis, relating to startups particularly, it ranked quantity two and it truly had a variety of similarities to Chicago. It had a variety of variety of startups, a variety of variety of exits and vc, a variety of capital there. When it comes to the tax local weather, it’s not so pleasant. It’s truly comparable or worse than Chicago, which is fairly fascinating and just like Chicago, should you take a look at the metro space, not the precise metropolis of Minneapolis or St Paul, however the broader metro space, the gathering of counties that make up this space, it has nonetheless skilled primarily job loss and inhabitants loss. Not by a lot, but it surely’s nonetheless not on the top the place it was in 2019 and possibly January of 2020. So I discover that fascinating, however what me much more is the general appreciation in Minneapolis is definitely greater over the previous 5 years than Chicago for the metro space, not the precise metropolis itself. I believe Chicago had a 27% median value improve over the MSA as a complete, whereas Minneapolis had a 36% median value improve over the MSA as a complete. So I discovered that to be fairly fascinating. I truly don’t know why it will have the next appreciation than Chicago, however that’s definitely one thing to try.

Dave:Alright, effectively I imply Minneapolis to me, it’s a kind of sneaky markets that has all these large corporations. I believe goal’s primarily based out of there three M’S primarily based out of there. There’s a variety of Fortune 500 corporations which might be primarily based out of Minneapolis, and in order that mixed with startups, I can see job progress happening there. Now you mentioned that tax scenario is worse in Minneapolis, is that simply company taxes?

Austin:Yeah, it is among the least pleasant states relating to taxes for corporations.

Dave:What in regards to the scenario with earnings taxes or property taxes? Dan, you may know this, however I believe Chicago has tremendous excessive property taxes, proper?

Dan:Nicely, it is dependent upon the way you take a look at it. So my reply is not any. If you happen to’re shopping for a single household dwelling, then you definitely’re going to see fairly excessive property tax, significantly should you enhance the property, town sort of places their thumb on the size for 2 to 4 unit house owners as a result of they know that you just’re simply going to move it on to the renter. So that they preserve them artificially low. Now you must combat your taxes to know which you can combat your taxes each three years in Chicago, however you’ll have a variety of success should you personal a two and 4 unit property. I’ve had mine go down as a lot as half. Oh, wow. Yeah, so there’s plenty of alternative there, however most individuals don’t. So that they don’t perceive alternative they’ve. However should you had a single household dwelling and a multi-unit sitting proper subsequent to one another they usually have been just about the identical property, the taxes on the only household dwelling are going to be greater even than a 4 unit property.

Dave:So Austin, do you may have any sense, I do know you don’t make investments there your self, however from what I perceive, Minneapolis is a reasonably costly market, significantly by Midwestern requirements. Is that this a spot which you can get cashflow? What’s the transfer for traders?

Austin:Simply primarily based on the median home value and the rents there, it’s arguably going to be just a little tougher to search out cashflow in Minneapolis than different Midwest cities, however the appreciation was just a little greater as effectively. So yeah, exhausting to say, however appreciation’s going to be just a little greater than cashflow, let’s simply say that.

Dave:Alright, effectively, there clearly are traders who need to focus totally on appreciation, so Minneapolis might be a superb marketplace for that. Dan, I do know you’re in Chicago, however do you may have any ideas on the Minneapolis market usually?

Dan:Yeah, so the factor that Midwestern cities have in frequent is that there’s plenty of land and there’s only a few huge cities. So individuals are drawn to these larger cities. Even should you’re in Kansas, you’re going to be drawn to Wichita, which is a smaller metropolis in comparison with different issues. Or Kansas Metropolis, you’re going to be drawn by that. And in Minneapolis it’s the identical factor. You’re surrounded by a variety of plain states. So a part of the explanation you’re seeing that appreciation is lots of people have moved there from the smaller cities. There’s nonetheless a restricted quantity of property in Minneapolis in comparison with one other Midwestern sized city.

Dave:Yeah. Two issues I need to point out too is lots of people I believe after they take a look at knowledge for markets, take a look at state degree migration and stuff, which to me is totally ineffective. It doesn’t actually matter, and you ought to be particular person markets. For instance, in Chicago, I believe I learn one thing no less than in the course of the pandemic that folks have been leaving the market Chicago, however a variety of them have been simply transferring to the suburbs, proper? Outdoors of Chicago. That is true of a variety of locations. You see this in New York too. Persons are saying, oh, individuals are leaving New York, however then the suburbs of New York are actually proper now the most popular housing markets within the nation. And so it is advisable take a look at particular person dynamics. It’s not simply what’s happening within the particular person metropolis. So I believe that’s most likely, to Dan’s level, a few of what’s happening in Minneapolis is that there are locations that people who find themselves transferring from different locations within the Midwest there.The opposite factor that’s fascinating, I don’t know an excessive amount of about it, however I do know St. Paul, that is proper throughout the best way from Minneapolis, did implement lease controls. And so from what I’ve heard, that may be a a lot much less favorable if you wish to be in this sort of common space. St. Paul’s a much less favorable space for landlords, whereas Minneapolis is a little more landlord pleasant. All proper. Let’s transfer on to our third market, Indianapolis. That is one we speak rather a lot about on the present, however Austin, inform us why, in line with your analysis on startup and enterprise local weather, Indianapolis is within the high three.

Austin:Yeah, so Indianapolis truly has rather a lot much less huge exits than Chicago or Minneapolis, but it surely truly ranks primary for help. The federal government there actually desires companies to develop in Indianapolis and Indianapolis actually is the financial engine for all the state. The federal government may be very total enterprise pleasant. That being mentioned, the tax setting, quantity two, finest tax setting within the Midwest. General, these curious primary was Sioux Falls, South Dakota, Indianapolis as a metro space has skilled inhabitants progress, 6% inhabitants progress over the previous 5 years and 9% job progress over the previous 5 years. And should you simply take a look at town, town has truly seen a inhabitants loss. However like we have been saying earlier, should you take a look at the entire outer suburbs, they’ve all grown. I’ve heard this being referred to as because the donut impact, the place individuals begin to depart the inside metropolis they usually go for the outer suburbs, and there are extra jobs being added into these outer suburbs. Like Carmel, for instance, is including a variety of finance and insurance coverage jobs in that place particularly. So there are much less startups there and the college system isn’t nearly as good as Chicago, however we now have Purdue College about an hour away from Indiana. So a variety of good aerospace, a variety of good exhausting tech training happening on this particular market.

Dave:Indianapolis, the great factor is that it’s comparatively inexpensive. The median dwelling value right here is 275,000, 150 grand lower than the nationwide median. So there’s a variety of issues that folks like. Dan, do you may have any ideas on Indy?

Dan:So I grew up in Fort Wayne, Indiana and I’m in Indianapolis, one other scorching market. Yeah, yeah, completely. What’s additionally occurred in Indianapolis, which I’m certain Austin has seen too, it’s sort of a sports activities mecca. So the NCA’s headquartered, a variety of issues are headquartered. In addition they, there was a city proper outdoors Indianapolis referred to as Carmel that sued for the fitting to not permit Airbnbs and the state mentioned, no, no, it’s your land. You are able to do no matter you need with it. And that’s sort of what Indiana is, is like, it’s your home, you do what you need with it. So there’s a variety of freedom in that

Dave:Space. They’ve rather a lot happening there. So yeah, it’s undoubtedly a really fascinating market. It’s considered one of these markets that you just always see as quickest rising within the Midwest, and there’s rather a lot happening there. My query at all times about a spot like Indianapolis, is there constraints on provide? Is it simply going to continue to grow out and out and out and out? And for me as an investor, that makes it tougher to determine the place to put money into a market like that, however I’m certain individuals who perceive the market with extra nuance than I do can work out the place to purchase. And even should you’re an out of state investor, should you work with a superb investor pleasant agent and dedicate your self to studying it, I’m certain you may determine it out as effectively. All proper. We do must take a fast break, however after this we’ll come again with extra Midwest markets proper after this. Welcome again to On the Market, we’re right here with Austin Wolff and Dan Nelson speaking about good Midwest markets, no less than in line with startups and job progress. And the best way Austin has carried out a few of his evaluation. We’ve talked to date about Chicago, Minneapolis and Indianapolis. Austin, what’s our fourth market?

Austin:We obtained Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Dave:Okay. I like Pittsburgh. I’ve talked about it rather a lot, no less than on this present and on BiggerPockets actual property. However inform me extra.

Austin:It’s very inexpensive. It’s comparatively simpler to search out cashflow in Pittsburgh than chances are you’ll in different cities throughout America. It additionally has extra huge corporations than Indianapolis, after all, much less huge corporations than Chicago or Minneapolis. I don’t assume that’s a shock to anybody, but it surely’s additionally ranked quantity two for its college ecosystem. Once more, Chicago’s primary. There’s a variety of educated employees popping out of the college that startups may discover beneficial or corporations may discover beneficial. And once more, it’s inexpensive. It’s truly extra inexpensive than Indianapolis. The median dwelling value is $238,000. In the meantime, it’s skilled a 36% five-year value progress. So it’s nonetheless appreciating 36% is an enormous quantity, but it surely is likely to be inflated as a result of the worth was comparatively low to start with, but it surely’s nonetheless appreciating, which is at all times good to see. The one factor I don’t like about it’s it’s primarily skilled about zero inhabitants progress because the pandemic. In order that’s my solely ding towards it, however it’s extra inexpensive and it’s ranked quantity two so far as universities are involved. So it has a variety of execs for it as effectively.

Dave:Do you know that there’s a survey that they do yearly to rank probably the most inexpensive housing markets on the earth? And Pittsburgh was primary final 12 months, and I believe is repeatedly primary on the earth.

Dan:Wow.

Dave:As a result of Pittsburgh, it has comparatively excessive incomes in comparison with the price of dwelling there. Like Austin mentioned, median dwelling value, 238,000, that’s very low cost for a big metropolis like Pittsburgh, but it surely’s additionally one of many form of epicenters of robotics in america, which personally I’d wager on individuals graduate with good jobs and there’s additionally good manufacturing jobs. So I believe Pittsburgh’s fascinating. There’s flat inhabitants progress, in order that’s at all times curious and one thing that as an investor you need to preserve an eye fixed out for. However while you see stuff like that that there’s simply good jobs and it’s comparatively inexpensive, that no less than intrigues me. Dan, what are your ideas on Pittsburgh?

Dan:Yeah, and Pittsburgh is a kind of sleepy cities. If you happen to’ve by no means been there, you consider it as like a metal city actually. But it surely’s a good looking space, it’s very hilly, and when individuals find yourself there, they do discover it to be very enticing. And clearly you talked about Carnegie Mellon. Carnegie Mellon is a very distinctive college and that almost all universities are attempting to show you to be taught one thing and Carnegie Mellon is attempting to show you to assume and construct and be inventive, and that’s why a lot innovation comes out of there.

Dave:Alright, so that’s our fourth market that we went by way of. Austin. Inform us in regards to the fifth.

Austin:Yeah, quantity 5, we now have Columbus, Ohio Basic, clearly. Yeah, many traders love Columbus, Ohio. It’s inexpensive. It’s comparatively simple to search out cashflow. You could have a variety of huge corporations transferring in. It’s truly ranked quantity 4 when it comes to the quantity of massive corporations there. I imply, you may have a variety of huge tech corporations constructing places of work there. Now we have a chip manufacturing plant transferring into the world, in order that’s actually enticing. What I don’t discover enticing is the tax local weather. It’s higher than Chicago or Minneapolis, but it surely’s ranked quantity 47 out of 64 on this record, so the underside half. However that being mentioned, it’s nonetheless seeing inhabitants progress. It’s seeing job progress is similar to Indianapolis. There are companies transferring there, and it’s nonetheless comparatively inexpensive at, we now have a 312 median home value with a 59% appreciation over the previous 5 years. So strong fundamentals right here,

Dave:It’s inexpensive, however I truly went there to think about investing there, and I simply discovered that the potential progress was already actually baked in. That was my concern, was that we weren’t seeing the lease progress and the lease costs that may justify among the costs. So should you’re available in the market, I’m certain you are able to do effectively and if you wish to be affected person, however for me no less than, I felt like I used to be overpaying for issues there. I completely might be improper, but it surely simply felt like as soon as they introduced this chip plant, individuals have been simply shopping for up all the things like loopy and it felt exhausting to search out worth in Columbus, despite the fact that you’re completely proper, the basics are robust, the market’s going to develop, the financial system’s going to develop. I’m certain individuals will inform me within the feedback that I’m improper, however that was simply my expertise that once I went to Columbus, myself, Dan, have you ever been there?

Dan:Yeah, so clearly they’ve Ohio State College,

Dave:Which is nice.

Dan:Stunning

Dave:Campus.

Dan:It’s a terrific college and in addition lots of people keep in Columbus from the college. It’s a terrific faculty. So that you do get these form of younger individuals beginning out. Yeah, I truly do sometimes have someone that claims, I’ve a property in Columbus is doing nice. I’m attempting to purchase one other one. I’m probably not discover something. So that they undergo the agent finder and attain out and look in Chicago. In order that has occurred to me as

Dave:Nicely. Yeah, yeah. That’s to not say which you can’t do it simply as an out-of-state investor, I discovered it just a little bit exhausting to search out one thing. So just a few issues to think about, however once more, actually robust fundamentals there. Alright, so these are our high 5. We do have a pair different ones we simply need to point out right here rapidly for individuals. Austin, are you able to simply inform us rapidly, we received’t go into element what among the different mid-west markets are?

Austin:Yeah, quantity six by way of 10 work. Detroit and Arbor, Madison, Wisconsin, St. Louis and Cincinnati.

Dave:Okay. Nicely, Detroit is at all times so polarizing individuals. I’ve truthfully by no means been so I don’t know a lot about it, but it surely’s tremendous polarizing. However Ann Arbor is a market that simply appears to be rising like loopy. I believe it’s one other place exhausting to search out cashflow, however there’s a lot tech funding going into that market. That’s a terrific appreciation market. Dan, do you may have any ideas on any of those? 5?

Dan:Yeah, I believe Detroit is a good metropolis, however it’s difficult due to the inhabitants and what’s occurring there. However to me it’s a very enjoyable metropolis. However yeah, Ann Arbor is nice and in addition the world round Ann Arbor can also be a terrific place to put money into, not simply within the metropolis, however at the same time as you begin to go many miles outdoors, there’s nice alternative there.

Dave:Superior. Nice. Nicely that’s good to know. Yeah, I’ve been investing in southern Michigan myself. I believe there’s a variety of fascinating stuff there. One other instance of a state that has very low inhabitants progress, however should you take a look at these pockets, they’re actually attracting a variety of younger individuals in inexpensive markets. So undoubtedly one thing to think about. Austin, any ideas on these final 5?

Austin:Yeah, the one factor that issues me in regards to the Detroit MSA and the St. Louis MSA is the inhabitants decline. However once more, there are pockets the place individuals need to transfer to and there are solely so many homes inside these neighborhoods. So actual property is hyper-local. Do your analysis on which neighborhoods is likely to be a superb match for you.

Dave:Alright, effectively earlier than we get out of right here, I’m going to make you every choose considered one of these markets. Dan, you’re not allowed to choose Chicago as a result of that’s dishonest.

Dan:Okay.

Dave:Dan, what can be your choose should you weren’t in Chicago, which of those markets would you want?

Dan:Yeah, I’d deal with Ann Arbor and it will be the southern space, not essentially proper within the middle, however round. Search for alternative on the market. Whenever you consider Ann Arbor, the place the College of Michigan is, you consider college students, however there’s loads of those who aren’t college students there to deal with. And should you’re searching for short-term rental, I believe Indianapolis is a good place to look to.

Dave:Superior. What about you, Austin?

Austin:I’d select Indianapolis. I actually just like the 9% job progress. It’s actually enticing to me.

Dave:Alright, effectively I’d choose Madison, Wisconsin simply because I hear that has actually top quality of life and I imagine in that and investing and by no means truly been there. However I like a variety of the basics of that market. Alright, effectively Austin, thanks a lot for doing this analysis. We recognize you being right here.

Austin:Completely happy to be right here. Thanks.

Dave:And Dan, thanks for diving deep into Chicago and giving us a few of your insider tips on being a Midwest agent. We recognize it.

Dan:You wager. Completely.

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